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kansaspatzer 67 ( +1 | -1 )
What is a low rating? This weekend, I went to another state's Open. There, one of the players in the Closed, rated about 1950, got angry and yelled at another player rated slightly higher than myself (my USCF rating is 1614). He yelled "you and your low ratings!"

This had me thinking. I had a disastrous tournament, losing three miniatures, but I was most upset by the thought that, even though I have been working at chess nonstop for years, I can still be considered to have a "low rating". It made me seriously think about giving up chess and taking up something I could be better at, but I gave up that idea. What would you all consider to be a low rating?
rt4sm 35 ( +1 | -1 )
Cheer up! Oh dear, that poor guy seems to take himself a bit seriously. I guess a 'low rating' is someone who's quite a bit below your own, so unless your a GM your always going to have some people who look down upon you, don't get upset man!

I don't play OTB so i'm no expert, but I'd say 1614 is slightly above average, so don't push the panic button just yet.
kewms 44 ( +1 | -1 )
Relative to Anand, most of the people here are patzers. But then, so is the self-important 1950 guy.

*shrug* The whole point of the rating system is to match roughly equal players so that everyone, regardless of skill level, can get a challenging game. Assigning it importance beyond that is a bad idea, IMO, since it leads to playing for rating points rather than playing for enjoyment. If you're not enjoying the game, why bother?

Katherine
ionadowman 84 ( +1 | -1 )
I'd like to enquire... ... into the reasons for the 1950-guy's rage. He hadn't just lost to c.1650-guy had he?
Hur, hur, hur ;-))
A low rating is any rating below one's own - this is especially true of such a one against whom you have just lost...

Whence comes to that there is a certain type of person who will make the kind of remark quoted here, or talk of patzers, rabbits, bunnies and etc. In this country there have been one or two such persons, yet on the other hand there have been very strong, very well-known and much admired players, rated far above my level, who always treated me - and other "lower rated" players like me - with respect. I make it my policy to do the same. Besides, every now and then, that lower rated player will, in a few years, have title: FM or IM...

Cheers,
Ion
eqj2 26 ( +1 | -1 )
I have not seen or experience such disrespect in a tourney. But I have heard of one in a tourney in Washington state and he was asked by officials to be respectful or leave. My view is I would probably give him a piece of my mind. But that would bring me down to his level.
ccmcacollister 176 ( +1 | -1 )
kansaspatzer ... The way I interpret what was stated; it seems to me that he was saying to That Player
that That Players rating was below That Players skill level. aka "underrated". Particularly
if he knows that player well, just lost to him, and has lost to him in the past ... thus costing "1950" rating points every time.

If that player was also in the closed, then from my own experiences {playing & being around otb tournaments since 1972} ... that is what the circumstances appear to be, to me. And if so, then in a way, 1950 was complimenting his nemesis, in a way. In any case, 1650 would be a VERY "low" rating to be found playing in a Closed State Championship! (I've never seen anyone under 1800, even in Nebraska) And if so, the guy must have had one heck of a year to get there~!
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Or if he was not in the closed but a different section, perhaps this "low rated" player had just upset someone in his own section ... and so 1950 was really saying to him that he is 'too dangerous' to be rated 1650. Or perhaps he thinks again that the guy is underrated, and was commenting on some potentially "easy" pairing he thought the guy was getting because of it.
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Somethings to consider anyway. I started otb at 777. I guess that is not too high ... but I've seen lower ... :)) It took me years to get as high rated as you are too!

Then more to make Expert and Postal Chess Master. If you want to go higher, you can. And I'm saying that to You specifically. For instance, you haven't restricted yourself to playing only 2 openings until you master them, right? If it's important to you to eliminate adverse miniature games, that's a start. Or are you having fun and enjoy playing a variety of positions, just the way you are? I'd go where ever the most enjoyment was. Unless you are looking to Chess for a second job ??! Just my imo :)
But why quit when there's still a road to enjoy playing, which ever one it happens to be?
}8-)
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kansaspatzer 23 ( +1 | -1 )
The 1950 player is an 18 year old who is known for an explosive temper; the 1650 player was not in the Closed. The player ended up withdrawing from the Closed despite it being a round robin, which I also thought was poor sportsmanship.
spurtus 3 ( +1 | -1 )
"You and your high ratings!"


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bhidragon 25 ( +1 | -1 )
USCF OTB Ratings You can find the official 2002 USCF OTB rating distribution at:

uschess.org/ratings/ratedist.html

The median rating (50th percentile) for OTB players is:

All players -- 1000
Adults -- Low 1400s
Scholastic -- 600

Hey, I'm happy to be "Mr. Average" in most of the tournaments I've played in.
chess_champion 79 ( +1 | -1 )
Pro
gm: 2500+
im: 2400+
fm: 2300+
nsm: 2400+
nm: 2200+
expert: 2000+

Amateur
class a (top amateur class): 1800-1999
class b(strong tournament player): 1600-1799
class c(average tournament player):1400-1599
class d(strong social player):1200-1399
class e(social player):1000-1199
class f(novice player):800-999
class g (beginnerII/scholastic player): 600-799
class h(beginnerI/scholastic player):400-599
class i(early beginner/scholastic player):200-399
class j:100-199

basically class d are strong social players
class c are those average tournament players
class b strong tournament players
class a top amateur players

*majority of this was from another site so there may be errors or other possibilities.
chessnovice 5 ( +1 | -1 )
... What's the rating for a strong antisocial player? :D
lynvingen 2 ( +1 | -1 )
Chessnovice, That was a good one!
ccmcacollister 185 ( +1 | -1 )
kansaspatzer ... Well okay, that is certainly the next choice! Being self-put (look bucklehead, nother new word!) on good forum behavior (aka forumics?! No wait, Forumix! :) , I didn't say that one. Sounds like you've been playing in, well some town named after a president?!
Personally, I've always felt it best to have a healthy concept of ones playing prowess, but not to start leaking ego till at least getting titled :)
So I think we agree it was a sorry display; and everyone knows it is bad form to drop from a RR unless you have died.
On the other-hand, you, may perhaps be dismayed to hear I was hypnotized to regard everyone under 2600 as being low rated (Actually to "play like Bobby Fischer", but the effect is the same, no? Well not quite ... but I do try to complain about the lights you know ... )
I think some people make a valuable point tho to point out that class B is above even tournament player average, and way above population average. But another is that there has always been and always will be some bit of rating snobbery present at a tournament site. For the psychout factor if naught else. At least until someone trys banning it as a pretourney, written rules change. Which almost makes me renew the old directorship.
But perhaps the perp finds only "B" players truly objectionable, for the tendency they have to actually Win some Tournaments around here !? I can see where that would be hard on an "A" who is getting mauled in the Closed. :)

Chessnovice I was going to say WC ... but hear Anand is another nice-guy, sigh. First Kramnick, now this. Is Mr Rogers a Chess player too? Will we soon long to hear of the days of Microwave Chairs and Tinkle Times?! :)
Can we get an RJF vs VK match to see us thru the lull ?!
dr_dread 60 ( +1 | -1 )
average rating.... I've played chess since 1968.Been involved in many OTB tourneys.I'm a USCF Master rated at 2258.By most standards,an "average" player has a strength,rated or unrated of around class "C" which is ....1400-1599.Thats assuming they have been playing for atleast 2 or 3 years,formally or informally.Class "B" is 1600-1799.B and C players are the "norm",and i would say,make up about 70% of the players across the nation,prhaps more.So anyone that is rated,say 1500 should never feel bad,they are in the same boat as most other players!