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odonata 49 ( +1 | -1 )
Bird's Defence - Dutch defence Bird's defence and the Dutch defence are quite symmetrical, but I was wondering if there are profound differences between the 2 openings or are the playing schemes similar?
I've studied mainly Bird's defence for now, but I was wondering if the bishop fianchetto which is quite common in Bird's defence (in Bird the Bb2 fianchetto) is also to be played in the Dutch defence (Bb7)?
Any thoughts on this issue (as well in general as on the fianchetto question) are welcome!

bogg 68 ( +1 | -1 )
odonata I assume you mean Bird's opening as Bird's defence is a Black choice in the Ruy Lopez: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nd4.

The extra tempo confers upon White extra options. When Black plays the Dutch defence White usually plays an early g3 making b6 problematic. Even when White delays g3, b6 in the Dutch tends to be a bad idea. There are tactitcal ideas common to the Queen's Indian defence that work very well against the Dutch with b6 included, as the move f5 puts Black a tempo behind with regard to his Queenside development. The primary idea is the d5 psuedo pawn sacrifice followed by Nd4 available for instance in the following variation:
1. d4 f5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Nf6 6. OO Be7 7. Nc3 OO 8. d5 ed: 9. Nd4
odonata 69 ( +1 | -1 )
RE: You're correct bogg, it's the Bird's opening I have in mind.
Thanks for your ideas on the fianchetto, I thought the same, for so far I've read about Bird's opening the author seems also rather negative about a fianchetto Queenside when the openent has one on his King's side.. In the Dutch a queenside fianchetto is clearly more "dodgy" in all variations..
Anyway, for so far I've played it some plans are similar,
f.e. when playing Bird the Queen manoeuvre against the K-side fianchetto
1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Be2 c5 5. O-O Bg7 6. Qe1 Nc6 7. d3 O-O 8. Qh4
The stonewall setup is also something I've seen a lot in the Dutch..
May I also suppose that also in the Dutch playing e6 or g6 is to personal taste..?
ccmcacollister 93 ( +1 | -1 )
For Google Search .... If you wish to play the white side of the Bird's Opening , played without b3 and Bb2
then the games and explanative writings of ICCM Keith Hayward would be fantastic
for you; since he took the opening ... which he himself suggested to be a less than
top-notch, and turned it into a personal weapon used for attaining his ICCM title.
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To do so, he changed the emphasis from attacking the e5 square, as in the b3 system, toward support and attainment of an e4 push. And his means for doing so feature some interesting and unusual examples of piece play with rather unique coordination, producing a definate but logical churning sensation, not unlike a ballroom of dancers, waltzing ... }8-)
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In addition to ICCM Hayward a subsequent review was done in the GK Chess Forum by bucklehead, which should also be available by Google if it was prior to the spacemaking page removals by Webmaster Mike.