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b_irie 32 ( +1 | -1 )
Albin Counter Gambit For those interested in trying a perhaps different reply to queen's gambit, come check out this MT:
-> gameknot.com
I don't know much about it but have been creamed by it twice recently otb; so i want to learn!
Cheers / Jeff
schnarre 3 ( +1 | -1 )
A scrappy opening for the gambiteer!
ionadowman 88 ( +1 | -1 )
Don't much about it either, but ... ... Wasn't elinesic's resignation (as White) against poodle1234 a trifle premature?
Final position, White to play:

Looks drawish to me. The Black king has to go to the aid of the a-pawn, but then the White rook checks at a distance (6th to 8th) ranks along the a and b files, returning to the a file whenever the king goes to the c file or to the 4th rank.
This is why, in similar endings, it is better for the pawn to stay 2 moves from promotion e.g. a3 in this instance. Then the Black king would make for a2, where it receives shelter from the checks, relieves the rook of its guard duties, allowing the latter to move to b1 then b3, the K will go to b2 and the pawn will run through to queen.
Cheers,
Ion
sualksnh 56 ( +1 | -1 )
This rook ending might be a win I think Black has very good chances to win the ending by pushing the h-pawn prior to walking with his King to Queen's wing. If I don't miss something important the h-pawn will chase the white King to h2. He can't go to f2 or g4 because of h3 and after capture of that pawn Black has checks on g1 or h1 or the well known trick Rh1 Rxa2 Rh2+. Once the King is cornered on h2 the pawn f4 is an easy prey for the black King: c7-b7->b3->e3xf4. If all this is true Blacks last move Kc7 was a step in the wrong direction but it's not too late to play the plan with the h-pawn push.
schnarre 3 ( +1 | -1 )
I agree there sualksnh!
ionadowman 42 ( +1 | -1 )
It's certainly... ... a good winning try. A line I hadn't considered, at any rate. But Black still has to find it, a consideration that confirms that White's resignation was premature. He still had chances to set problems for Black. Even if Black manages to carry out his plan, the win from there ain't a gimme. Black will still have to find shelter from the checks so as to force home the win.
Quite an interesting endgame.
Cheers,
Ion
ccmcacollister 481 ( +1 | -1 )
Resignation too soon !? ... Must agree with ionadowman , for same reason & seeing BL play in exception to several Rook & pawn maxims: 1) Putting the Rook in front of his passer, is usually considered the weakest protective angle, and behind to be best{granting thereARE exceptions, & this makes a lot of WT's problems here.} and (2) Pushing beyond a3, as Ion said. So it does not seem unkind to ask to play thru the proof stage if someone is enter territory of experts masters +, to play the exceptions, and see ...is this truly one of them? When playing Exceptions there is only One Rule: "you must be Right!" }8-)
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Also because, I believe WT may Draw this (but only after running thru some lines to see. :) yet may still be wrong after an hour looking it over; so seems worth a play-out to me anyway)
As WT, I'd like to have some horizontal harrassing checks from the a-file before the pawn gets too advanced, when BL's duo there are on the sixth rank (algebraic)
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Great concept from sualksnh ! With the h5,h4,h3 idea. And definately a tech- nique to remember in R+P's. But i think another idea saves WT. That he can play Kg4 after all. But can't take the pawn on h3 at all ... instead answers with Kg3, only to capture it if advanced to h2 or it plays hxg2. (A thing I did not check yet is trying to LEAVE the pawn at h3 very long, as it seemed WT could play gxh3 if he precedes that by Kh2 first. But did not analyse this, so can't say absolutely it will draw.)
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Some aspects in this position were expected but some did surprise me too.
That BL Can actually bridge if WT errs. With WT Kg2 & BL K just attaining contact with the a-pawn; WT must IMMEDIATELY start ceaseless vertical checks of the K
for as long as it stays in contact with that pawn from the b or a file. Otherwise, a move such as Rd1 can win, if allowed. Due to the fact WT Rook cannot switch back
to sucessful horizontal checking in reply to ...R-b1, Eg Re7...Rb2+, Kg1 Rb3 then if
Re2 Rb1+, Kg2 Rb2 pins WT Rook to its king, game over. Thus Kb2 & Re2+ Ka3! now
so now Re1? Rb1 over/ pinned to Kg1 or Re8 a1/Q+ .
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Another factor, WT can walk along the 2nd rank to b2, but before he can get there ...Rg1 kills, since Rxa2 then drops the Rook to Rxg2+. Thus a1/Q RxQ RxR if he leaves it alone.
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Another aspect, as it was actually WT to move from the diagram, why not just play
the alternative to Kh2 & go to Kf2 now? Idea to then meet ...h5 with g2. Now to move the WT King Kf2/Kg2/Kf2/Kg2 back and forth? Or after g3 then Kg2/Kh2 back and forth? Unfortunately the King may well hold from Kh2, but never gets there since while on Kf2, the instant g3 is played ...Rh1. Again threatening to Queen winning WT's Rook. But Rxa2 loses it to Rh2.
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Finally, what about just playing back and forth Kf2 and Kg3. Well eventually h4 will
be played, pinning down the Kf2. (again, to wander Ke2 provokes ...Rg1 0-1)
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So the method I think holds, involves the Kg4 move. BL cannot bully WT to a direct
win tho with just the h-pawn advance to h5+ Kg3 and now assume he wins the f4 pawn with his king, leaving WT only the g2 pawn. Not enough ... because of the
awkwardness created by the h-pawn making the first & further advance, leaving the pawn on g6. So BL JUST plays Kxf4 .... now the checks start in avalanche.
Ra4+ Kg5, Ra5+ Kh6, Ra6 {The key, everytime the BL K steps to h6 behind the g6
pawn, the Rook pins it. Ad infinitum. So BL can only try to advance the h-pawn }
after Ra6 then ...h4+, Kh2 Kg5!?, Ra5+ Kh6, Ra6 (ok that didnt work, right? Pinnied again. No King foreys, so only g-pawn advance is left to try)... Kh5,
{Now NOT Ra5+?? g5 and the Rook must give away the pin! That is the plan now, to pin the g5 pawn to Kh5 EveryTime. King cannot triangulate it away as Rook has room to drop tempos too, right on the a-file. Let's make it a useful looking tempo drop tho, and keep the BL king still on his home board, and so that he can't even retreat now without a pawn loss with check. Let him feel kicked around a bit & manipulated by our next move :) }
so after ...Kh5, Ra4! g5, Ra5! Kh6, Ra6+ Kh5, Ra5! (2nd repetition! :)
And now to remember, if he walks to Q-side, we'll be waiting with Ra8 to launch
Rb8+ Ra8+ Rb8+ Ra8+ etc AS SOON as his King touched the a-pawn. Just remember that if he tries to walk the king TO your R on the 8th, you must stop checking in time to bring it back to the a-file, not ever to play Rb8+?? vs Kb6 lest next come Ka7 and the Rook cannot return to the a-file. So would lose after trying
Rb2 Rh1+, Kxh1 a1Q+, Kh2 QxRb2 ... and That is a pitiful way to lose.
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In this last sequence, suppose instead of Kh2 WT went to Kf2 !? I think it possibly bad due to the same finesse of Rh1 vs such as an h3 push (threatening h2 then), gxh3 Rh1 so our Kf2 again poisons the a2 pawn, and lets it Queen to win Rook. Were WT Kg2 instead, looks drawish.
At very least an h3 push would give BL a tempo drop for breaking our Rooks pin vs
his g-pawn. So Kh2 there instead, I think. Working from memory tho.
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I think I have a sample of a playout about ready. Will save this for now.
}8-)
ccmcacollister 185 ( +1 | -1 )
Hmmm Here is BOARD # for poodle1234 win The board number board #5816474 for more direct access to that endgame at finish; since it was not given above.
It looks like the best play lines I'd saved to that game, as a nonpublic annotation, were somehow not saved properly. Such as involving Kg4. Perhaps I can generate a position board for a later point, to go from.
Having looked at the whole game earlier today, want to mention some thoughts on it, per b_irie 's post being about this opening. It is relatively new to me too, and currently trying out some fairly farout ideas in one of my own. But it is ongoing. I may be completely outside the boat in this gambit, but what I was thinking goes like this ...
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Re: the elinesic vs poodle1234 opening ...
On 13.Rd1 I preferred an immediate 13.Nb3 Bb6 14.c5 Bd8 or Bc7 15.Nd4 and WT's pawn looks safe enough, with the BL King facing some trouble if he'd try winning one back. Also if it followed the game idea such as 13.Nb3 b6 14.Bf3 the ...Bg4 resource of the game continuation does not help here, with no Rd1 for Bg4 to pin
the Bf3 to. So if 14...Rb8 15.Bf4 and an Exchange can be taken. Also Re1+ is there,
& can't be too nice for BL.
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Preferred 16...Rad8 17.Be3 Rfe8 18.Bf2 xd4 19.fxg4 Rxe2 to put a Rook on WT's 2nd rank
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Liked 17... NxBe6 when f7xe6 was manditory, as I Like to take Bishops! And rather see the recapture this way, than by a Rook or have the Bishop escape with his life!
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At 22 rather than the Rd8+ I'd contest the Rook presence on WT's 2nd to prevent
doubling there. Either 22.Rac1 or Rfe1
25 ... b5 seems troublesome, perhaps strong !?
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Like 27 ... Rcd2 to preserve the Rook pair right there, to follow with Nh5 (maybe Nd5!?) looking at Nf4 or Ng3 possiblities
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And wrote down 39... Nd5 too, but don't recall why at the moment. Almost nap time I believe. Merry Christmas to all and ...
ccmcacollister 187 ( +1 | -1 )
A Kg4 line resurrected from cyber-annotation-limbo ... minus a few parts, but:
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From the diagram giving above, just change the following piece placements:
BL= Kf6 and K-side Pawns move to g6 & h4
Changes To
WT= Kg4 & Ra5
IT will be Blacks move from there. My playthru's indicated BL could not actually infiltrate to either Kh5 nor Kf5, so this finesse attempts some progress and draws.

1. ... h3 2.Kg3 Rg1 !? 3.Rxa2 Rxg2 4.Rxg2 hxg2 5.Kxg2 Kf5 6.Kf3/Kg3 Draws
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(now in that line, if 2...hxg2 3.Kxg2 Kg7 whatever 4.Kh2 Kh6 5.Kg2 leaving the Rook at a5 and just shuttling the King from g2 and h2. Is hopeless. So BL must try for the f-pawn by approacing the Rook by Kb6. Then he can chase it down the a-file to cross the 5th rank with the BL K.
He can go towards the a2 pawn, but not bridge it successfully. However, having gotten across the 5th, now he can return to attack the f-pawn with king. While waiting his return, WT can take a move to play Kg2; still not ever Kf2 due to Rh1.
And so as BL King contact the f-pawn by Ke4 or Ke3 the Ra4 move is required in defense of it. So BL King must triangulate successfully vs WT R & K so as to attack the f-pawn by Ke4 not Ke3. Since if Ke4, Ra4+ Ke3 then the WT king must yield by Kh2 then...Kf3 forces the Rook away to win the f-pawn.
If he approaches wrong with Ke3 I'm not seeing how he wins it, at the moment. Unless returning toward the a-pawn there might be another triangulation. But he cant use the 2nd rank without allowing Ra3, foiling him. And he cannot progress unless the f-pawn gets won.
Lets assume he does win it. Now what. We know he cannot push the a-pawn in. So must look to the g-pawn. Well it can advance clear to g3 and Never be taken.
But it cannot get past the Kg2. Only the BL Rook could move him. And if it goes clear to g3 to sit, then the BL K will have no shelter from checks. It can only go to g4 if he wants to hide behind it at h4 to escape checks. But if he does do THAT,
The R can pin the pawn there again with Ra4. Or just let it advance. It can't pass the Kg2 ever. And the BL K loses his hideout. DRAW ?
Looks like a DRAW, UNLESS one of the players has Expired during this time . . .
And we hope not }8-)
ionadowman 186 ( +1 | -1 )
ccmcacollister .... ... goes in for a very detailed analysis of the ideas that lie hidden in the ending I thought earlier might be drawn (objectively speaking), and in which sualksnh found a very interesting attempt Black might make to win after all.
One thing might need to be clarified, though, is ccmcacollister's suggestion that white plays at once 50.Kf2. I'm not really sure in the end what Craig's further thinking was, but White has to beware not to respond to 50...h5 by 51.g3?? on account of 51...Rh1! (52.Rxa2 Rh2+ wins), the trick pointed out by sualksnh and by ccmcacollister later in his analysis.
Having been made aware of the possibilities on the K-side, I might be inclined to move at once 50.Kh2 h5 51.g3 to nip any k-side attack in the bud, and at the same time give the WK a 'tempo square' where he can make a waiting move with the K if for any reason he doesn't want to move his rook. At some point, White might in any case move Kg2 to deny the BK the f2 square, which could be of use to him otherwise.
What can Black undertake? He can find shelter for his K at f2 (if White lets him) or g4, but it seems difficult to discover from there any useful continuation... Even if Black successfully clears out White's pawns whilst retaining his g-pawn (It seems unlikely this can be achieved by force), it isn't going to be easy to force home the g-pawn. Consider this possible future position, with white to play:
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Black can check along the 8th rank as much as he likes, unless the BK gets too close, whence he moves up and down the a-file.
Suppose it were Black to play here. What can Black do to improve his chances? A possible sacrifice into a favourable R+1P vs R ending? Doesn't look likely here.
So Black will have, probably sooner rather than later, to investigate the possibility of sacrificing his a-pawn to obtain a favourable ending of a different type.
H'mmm...
ccmcacollister 172 ( +1 | -1 )
ionadowman ... Indeed the position in your diagram is almost the ideal textbook set-up already for defending vs a R+1P if the a-pawn were sac's here, allowing Rxa2. As I'm sure you know, but just to point it out for anyone that wants to learn it, being a very useful thing to be able to do without having to think about it, should it ever occur in time-trouble or such.
Also another thing I just noticed. With it advanced to g4 now, it can never shield BL from verticle checks, and he has no escape anywhere from those, which could now be constantly made, instead of the horizontals, and just returning to the a-file if ever the BL king got close enough to WT's Rook to be threatening. So actually that g-pawn could never advance beyond g5 and be any shelter to the King! Even tho it can walk clear to g3 and still never be TAKEN there, that is pointless and worse, leaving its own king forever floundering in checks! :)
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I really like that idea you mention to step back to Kh2 immediately from the first diagram in this thread, then play g3 while the King is there! The it seems the King can start his Two-Shoe Shuffle at will, using h2 and g2 as I wanted to do but could not, in trying to get there from Kf2. Surely your suggestion must be another
draw scenario. I suppose if ...h4 then by BL, then gxh4 eh? Rather than allow hxg3 where the pawn could never be recaptured? (Tho it seems to me, even that might end up drawing, unless there be some benefit unseen to me in having 2 seemingly unqueenable g-pawns ?! Believe I did run a simliar test line yesterday and did not make headway, so if it was played correctly it may hold vs 3 pawns plus! !? And that is nice in a Rook ending :))
ionadowman 86 ( +1 | -1 )
That R+3P vs R idea... ... did crop up as a possibility when I was playing around this position:
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With 3 extra pawns, it seems Black can't win!
Ain't chess an amazing game?
As for the diagram in my last posting, suppose the g-pawn was a square further back. The BK could then shelter at g4 from 'vertical' checks (checks alog a file), but White merely responds with Ra8, and has a bit of fun checking along the ranks instead (horizontal checks) if that's what turns him on. But he doesn't even have to do that. Meanwhile, White's K stays in front of the g-pawn, and Black has no tempo play by which he can force him off the file, at the same time keeping his own K safe from checks.
The more I look at this position, the more it looks like a safe draw for White. Any other ideas?
Cheers,
Ion